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yes, i would say almost any parrot species can cause severe harm to others of its species. but it is a lot easier for a cockatoo or a macaw to do serious and irreversible damage
We have had numerous members share sever injuries from I one GCC to another new addition or even Ines that had gotten along, nearly taking out eyes,, beak crushes, broken legs , and bites to abdomen, require emergency care to save them , and not all were saved. GCC can really be fierce on par with larger species damage to each other. As well as lorikeets and caiques ..while I agree any can , these species stand out to me
 

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This is coming from someone who ended up with 6 birds looking for a buddy for their single bird :blink:
Ha - same here!! I was looking for an Amazon friend for Ollie since at the beginning Kobe (Pionus) clearly didn’t like him.
 

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yes, i would say almost any parrot species can cause severe harm to others of its species. but it is a lot easier for a cockatoo or a macaw to do serious and irreversible damage
I would put money on it that it happens more often with lovebirds. While it might be easier for bigger birds to kill another of their own species, it isn't as common. Though maybe that is because there are more lovebird pairs..... :hmmm:

Ha - same here!! I was looking for an Amazon friend for Ollie since at the beginning Kobe (Pionus) clearly didn’t like him.
I'm glad they both got the company in the end. My Sydney had his mate for 5 years, and Ollie was good friends with Kobe for a year :)
 

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I wondered if Zara would bring up the half dozen lovebird saga. Birds can be choosy.
 

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My guess as to why we don't hear of more large parrot buddies is that there hasn't been a strong culture of recommending having two or more from the beginning, so people get one and then realize how much work there is in getting another (cost, space, getting along, etc).

I've only met large cockatoos in rescue, but it seems like they are just as or more choosy than people when it comes to deciding who they like. The goffins all seem to pair up in buddy groups and fly around together, but aside from one umbrella/corella pair, the bigger birds stick to themselves when they play. Some actively avoid certain others. Only a few of them care at all about people's attention, so that isn't as a big a factor for this group. It's interesting.

I think (not based on research or anything, just my hunch) that the fact most birds do well without a same species housemate is proof of how adaptable to non-ideal situations parrots are. I don't think humans as a species would fare as well in a similar situation.
 

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My guess as to why we don't hear of more large parrot buddies is that there hasn't been a strong culture of recommending having two or more from the beginning, so people get one and then realize how much work there is in getting another (cost, space, getting along, etc).

I've only met large cockatoos in rescue, but it seems like they are just as or more choosy than people when it comes to deciding who they like. The goffins all seem to pair up in buddy groups and fly around together, but aside from one umbrella/corella pair, the bigger birds stick to themselves when they play. Some actively avoid certain others. Only a few of them care at all about people's attention, so that isn't as a big a factor for this group. It's interesting.

I think (not based on research or anything, just my hunch) that the fact most birds do well without a same species housemate is proof of how adaptable to non-ideal situations parrots are. I don't think humans as a species would fare as well in a similar situation.
Parrots are definitely amazing in terms of adaptation, but in a lot of rescues, cockatoo pairs aren't that uncommon. One example I think of is the Chloe Sanctuary, but there are also multiple individuals that only tolerate others and/or have to be heavily monitored during social interactions. And some that will straight up attack each other. But I feel like a lot of factors go into the situation. When you have a 20 year old Cockatoo with little to no interaction with it's own species, anything can happen. But I think it is always *ideal* to have a pair if at all possible for the individuals :heart:
 

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I was wondering, since i don't know enough about these birds' histories to make a guess as to why they don't buddy up more.
 

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Buddies cause ruckus. Even in the calmest and easy going of households pairs/friends/buddies, large flocks are not for the faint of heart when it comes to large parrots.

I love when I have birds that will entertain each other BUT.... Those same birds will shed my blood if I look at the buddy wrongly.

Large parrot flocks require huge amounts of space, determination in keeping them occupied and forgiving personalities from all family members living in the home. Our lives are NEVER just our own.
 

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... BUT.... Those same birds will shed my blood if I look at the buddy wrongly.
OMG so true! Kobe (Pionus) became very posessive of/bonded to Ollie (Orange-winged Amazon) to my detriment more than once! Right now, JoeJoe (Orange-winged Amazon) is posessive over/bonded to me - if another bird lands on me he will fly at them to chase them away (my fault for allowing JoeJoe on my shoulder in the first place). The Amazons were all originally from single bird homes. Yet, so was Ollie and he reached out to Kobe - I guess with him he arrived terrified of humans. Yet, with the girl who originally rescued him, she said he wouldn't mix with her other birds, she described him as a "mute statue". Maybe he eventually saw Kobe as not a threat since Kobe ignored him. I think you usually have a better chance of parrots becoming friends if they meet whilst young.
 

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I have two bigger birds - not as large as Amazons or Greys but certainly larger than budgies. I got Leia in 2017 and we rehomed her younger sister, Kira, in 2022.

Both were initially raised by their parents, then handfed and raised with their siblings and allowed to interact with other Pionus. I very specifically sought out a breeder who did not pull chicks too early. Leia stayed with her breeder and other Pionus until she was nine months old and thus is more aware that she's a bird - she's more independent, confident and knows what she likes. Kira was originally homed at a more typical age i.e. once the breeder was confident that she was fully weaned. Her first owner had her on his shoulder for most of the day, and as such Kira is clingier and really, really wants to be on a person.

I once boarded Leia at a parrot hotel with resident Greys. When I picked her up, the hotel owner commented that "she doesn't like to share": cue mortification much like when you pick your child up from nursery and get told that about your kid! I can only imagine she tried to pick a fight with a bird nearly twice her size... So I knew that she probably wouldn't immediately buddy up with a new bird, but I hoped that she would tolerate a second.

Happily for me, they do tolerate each other. Kira would like to be friends, but Leia does not want to be friends. We give them as much space as we can so they can fly away from each other, and we offer lots of perching opportunities so they don't have to argue over them. Leia will chase Kira off and they do sometimes open-beak spar with each other, but no one gets hurt.

They do engage in parallel activities like eating and preening. They have been observed to share the tree so fingers crossed, they might one day mellow out like Kobe and Ollie.

Leia is much more fluent in parrot due to her upbringing, whereas Kira kind of invented her own Cool Noises. Interestingly, Kira's calls have changed and have become more like Leia's. They get pretty loud together and do set each other off: if one starts having a bit of a shout, the other quickly joins in.

For me, the main challenge in having two birds rather than one bird has been one of space. Finding space for two 100x80cm cages is a challenge in a small London flat! This is the first place we've lived that we physically had room for two cages. I think it's also harder to manage if you have two big birds who don't like each other. Their space requirements mean that it would be difficult to give them both enough time and space for individual out-of-cage time. A budgie can happily zip around in a small room, whereas that room feels rather cramped with a bigger wingspan.

I would love to have a larger flock, but again, space is the limiting factor.

Personally, I think larger birds should have an upbringing that lets them know that they are birds. I would love it if big birds had the same opportunities for socialisation into a flock and learning "bird culture", and had bird companions throughout their lives. Perhaps part of the reason we perceive larger birds as being choosier is because they aren't necessarily as well socialised: there are only birds that they really really like (friends) and birds that they really really don't like (enemies), and they don't necessarily have the social skills to navigate social relationships with birds that are in-between.

In a flock, there are going to be birds that are closer and birds who are more distant: I suppose the human parallel to that is navigating interactions with colleagues: we may not count them as friends but we may not dislike them, and it takes social skill to negotiate relationships with individuals that are more distant to us. Like I think my colleague Olli is okay, we've worked together on a project, I think we can trust each other to get the job done, but I wouldn't say we've clicked: we probably both find the other a bit aloof, we don't seek out each other's company and wouldn't interact outside work. That, for me, is a trickier relationship to navigate than an actual friendship, and it takes practice to develop the skills to have a cordial relationship with people with whom you work but don't click with. I think there are parallels to that in a flock, and that our birds don't necessarily have the skills to navigate that kind of interaction.
 

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We have two BFA, Billy and Howard. Billy tries his hardest to get attention from Howard but Howard ignores him completely. Anytime they are out together is when Howard is on his stand in the kitchen and Billy is out on top of his house about 5 foot apart. They can always see each other and vocalize together which is great.

I understand that in a perfect world every parrot would have a mate/friend. What affect would that have on adoptions and rescues? Is the average person interested in getting a large parrot for the first time going to adopt or buy two of them at once? We had a YNA from a horrible hoarding situation, that would tear into his leg if another bird even looked at him. Adding a larger parrot later is always an option but it doesn't work for every bird.
 

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Very good questions I always wonder this too

@Sarah13 ive seen you have a few larger species macaws how do yours get along ?

@JLcribber i really hope this isn’t insensitive and please don’t answer if it is and i apologise with all my heart if you find it so but I remember your gorgeous calendar photo of your two cockatoo

I can’t think of anyone else who as more than one larger species but it’s a very interesting question

I wonder what it’s like adding a larger species trying to find a friend it was a scary choice to make adding lovebirds and green cheeks
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Everyone is happy/live together with ease.
Big and little birds can live together but it's a risk the owner must decide to take/ have steps in place to mitigate potential issues.
Similar sized birds is ideal/safest especially if flight/great deal of space aren't available.

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I have a grey and 2 amazons all are in separate cages unless its out of cage time then they mainly stay on their cages and do not interact with each other. They will call and talk to each other all the time and every one lives in the living room. I never thought of housing 2 together as all I could see is the fights I would be breaking up and didnt want to do it .
 

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My two Amazons, Chico (BFA male) and Polly (OWA female) were really good friends and loved being together.
A few years after Chico died I took Polly to the rescue and she chose a BFA female, Pepper, to come home. Polly tried very hard to make friends but Pepper says no.
Chico and Polly:
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Why does Chico have red & yellow wing edges while Polly doesn’t?
 
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